back pay part 3 - CHECKS CUT!

Buzz · January 15, 2014, 06:11:40 PM

Quote from: yabba on January 15, 2014, 02:37:01 PM
thanks buzz for getting us the truth its appreciated!!!! and thanks ernie for your best effort for us as always...woodhaven blvd is another story...and neil should have a company meeting and give us his thoughts on the continuing mess of this industry , i thinks it time we give neil a break and listen to both sides of the coin,seems we need to hear his side of all this mess that has been going on ...

You're welcome ... but I'll go one further and say maybe both deserve a break. Here's another truth I can share: Neil himself expressed understanding and even sympathy for the pressure and duress Michael is under. Speaking strictly for myself, I think I should be able to give him at least as much consideration. I don't think any of us can truly fathom what his job has been like since last January.

yabba · January 15, 2014, 06:20:55 PM

mine has been hard enough knowing my w2 is coming in 13000.00 + shorter this year then last,i wonder how much there went down..sorry to come off as being harsh but i has enough of the $ullshit and the games...all i know is me you and all the fellow 1181 drivers and escorts are out there doing a professional job for years and still do and are getting the shaft all the way around...and ill bet you my retro check that me you and other drivers and escorts are the only w2s that took at hit...

PROUD MEMBER · January 15, 2014, 06:44:18 PM

Two things. I am not calling anybody a villain, I'm just looking for a reasonable answer. Secondly, I personally would not would not give Neil a break. Before before this year I not only thought Neil was a good business man but a good person. My opinion on both has changed. Did he give us a break when he imposed his "Best & Final" offer on us. Which obviously wasn't the best he could offer because 8 months later he gave us a better offer. And still after this current offer in which we took a decrease in pay he still getting the same money from the DOE that he negotiated based on our old contract. And I don't want to here that BS about his compensation costs. That is all figured into his bid before hand.

Buzz · January 15, 2014, 07:44:47 PM

Quote from: yabba on January 15, 2014, 06:20:55 PM
mine has been hard enough knowing my w2 is coming in 13000.00 + shorter this year then last,i wonder how much there went down..sorry to come off as being harsh but i has enough of the $ullshit and the games...all i know is me you and all the fellow 1181 drivers and escorts are out there doing a professional job for years and still do and are getting the shaft all the way around...and ill bet you my retro check that me you and other drivers and escorts are the only w2s that took at hit...

Yeah, I hear ya' on the money issue ... no argument there.

Buzz · January 15, 2014, 07:45:28 PM

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 15, 2014, 06:44:18 PM
Two things. I am not calling anybody a villain, I'm just looking for a reasonable answer. Secondly, I personally would not would not give Neil a break. Before before this year I not only thought Neil was a good business man but a good person. My opinion on both has changed. Did he give us a break when he imposed his "Best & Final" offer on us. Which obviously wasn't the best he could offer because 8 months later he gave us a better offer. And still after this current offer in which we took a decrease in pay he still getting the same money from the DOE that he negotiated based on our old contract. And I don't want to here that BS about his compensation costs. That is all figured into his bid before hand.

I'm sure you're not alone in your views.

PROUD MEMBER · January 15, 2014, 10:05:57 PM

I spoke to Ernie and he clarified everything. As I assumed Neil not the Union is the "Villain". Either Neil outright lied to Buzz or Buzz misunderstood him (which I doubt). Ernie said "Approximately two weeks ago the Union notified the DOE in writing to release the money." I do not want to quote Ernie any further than that. The bottom line is our attorneys are trying to rectify this situation but regardless if Neil doesn't have the checks delivered to the NLRB by the end of the business day this Friday he will be in defiance.

John Eadicicco · January 16, 2014, 02:46:21 AM

He was in DEFIANCE the day he cut our pay 7 1/2% END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!

Buzz · January 16, 2014, 02:59:50 AM

Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 15, 2014, 10:05:57 PM
I spoke to Ernie and he clarified everything. As I assumed Neil not the Union is the "Villain". Either Neil outright lied to Buzz or Buzz misunderstood him (which I doubt). Ernie said "Approximately two weeks ago the Union notified the DOE in writing to release the money." I do not want to quote Ernie any further than that. The bottom line is our attorneys are trying to rectify this situation but regardless if Neil doesn't have the checks delivered to the NLRB by the end of the business day this Friday he will be in defiance.

Upon Ernie's suggestion, I called Eddie and yes, the union did send the DOE that letter but the DOE did not release the money, instead they responded with a request that 1181 submit in writing a statement saying that we were paid. Of course, the union would not do that without us actually having been paid, thus the current dilemma. To my way of thinking, Neil did not lie to me, (our conversation was strictly about the cutting of the checks and the reason for the latest delay), and if anybody is the culprit here I'd say it is the DOE. Strictly my opinion.

(It is also still my opinion that an agreement on this will be reached by Friday.)

Goose623 · January 16, 2014, 03:07:18 AM

Buzz the 4000 runs went out for bid correct??? When are they due in??? I understand the money is a big issue but this to me is bigger.. This is are future..

Buzz · January 16, 2014, 03:35:52 AM

Quote from: Goose623 on January 16, 2014, 03:07:18 AM
Buzz the 4000 runs went out for bid correct??? When are they due in??? I understand the money is a big issue but this to me is bigger.. This is are future..

They are due some time in May ... don't know the exact date. Let's hope they get retracted before then!

(And you're right ... it is bigger. MUCH bigger.)

PROUD MEMBER · January 16, 2014, 04:40:54 AM

I've come to the conclusion that discussing the back pay is a moot point. So my final post regarding it will be as far as I'm concerned all 3 conditions were met and Neil should release the checks. I understand both sides when it comes to the DOE releasing or not releasing the money. But according to the MOA that Neil signed the Local's responsibility was to request the DOE release the money (which we now know they did). No where did it state that Neil making payment was contingent on the DOE's actions after such request was made. It may be a silly & technical point but none the less the truth. We'll see what happens Friday.

WTF · January 16, 2014, 05:20:13 AM

Quote from: Buzz on January 16, 2014, 02:59:50 AM
Quote from: PROUD MEMBER on January 15, 2014, 10:05:57 PM
I spoke to Ernie and he clarified everything. As I assumed Neil not the Union is the "Villain". Either Neil outright lied to Buzz or Buzz misunderstood him (which I doubt). Ernie said "Approximately two weeks ago the Union notified the DOE in writing to release the money." I do not want to quote Ernie any further than that. The bottom line is our attorneys are trying to rectify this situation but regardless if Neil doesn't have the checks delivered to the NLRB by the end of the business day this Friday he will be in defiance.

Upon Ernie's suggestion, I called Eddie and yes, the union did send the DOE that letter but the DOE did not release the money, instead they responded with a request that 1181 submit in writing a statement saying that we were paid. Of course, the union would not do that without us actually having been paid, thus the current dilemma. To my way of thinking, Neil did not lie to me, (our conversation was strictly about the cutting of the checks and the reason for the latest delay), and if anybody is the culprit here I'd say it is the DOE. Strictly my opinion.

(It is also still my opinion that an agreement on this will be reached by Friday.)

Apparently the DOE does Not trust Pioneer (Neil) either. If the DOE releases the money and neil doesn't pay us then what??? Now who is playing games? Do you still feel neil should get a break and we should feel sorry for him that he was mislead?

Buzz · January 16, 2014, 10:57:23 AM

Quote from: WTF on January 16, 2014, 05:20:13 AMApparently the DOE does Not trust Pioneer (Neil) either. If the DOE releases the money and neil doesn't pay us then what??? Now who is playing games? Do you still feel neil should get a break and we should feel sorry for him that he was mislead?

I'll answer your question with a question: Suppose Neil hands over the checks and the DOE doesn't release his money? What then?

So there is another side to the coin, my friend.

(FYI ... they're holding a couple of million, which is needed to cover the checks)

PROUD MEMBER · January 16, 2014, 11:55:02 AM

Neil has a contract with the DOE just has we have a contract with him. I would assume just as we took legal action to get our money from him if need be he could take legal action against the DOE. But it would never have to come to that. Once he gave the NLRB the checks and they gave them to us even if 1181 still didn't consent to the DOE that we were paid the cashed checks would be his prove of payment. Again if that doesn't happen and for some reason the DOE still doesn't release the money he can take legal action. The bottom line is the sooner he gives us our money the sooner he gets his. Obviously 2 million (if that # is correct?) is a lot of money. But I'm sure him personally & Pioneer the company do not need that money as much as the $6000 owed me and whatever is owed to my brothers & sisters individually.

1union · January 16, 2014, 02:46:42 PM

Proud me member I glad you did your homework.let's try an remember that niel has not stop lying to us.1 during the strike told that we are in this together then stood with SCUMBAG gat to voted no for beni after sandy and did not care. 2 told us he was so broke because of comp cases.Then goes out gets new buses .3 sign the contract get your money. This whole thing stinks and we pay.That's why we need some kind of job action against this bullshit.I would go to bat for this company if they did things the fare treatment of drivers .Please let's put An end to all of this bullshit! This is why a just don't understand why we don't push back.

back pay part 3 - CHECKS CUT!

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